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In a between-two-rounds which promises to be tight against Marine Le Pen, the candidate president reviews his copy on a divisive project which he intends to put back on the table in the event of victory.

Emmanuel Macron. (© CHESNOT/GETTY IMAGES)

“It’s called listening to the French.” At the microphone of franceinfo on Tuesday April 12, the Minister of the Interior, Gérald Darmanin, highlighted the “pragmatism” of Emmanuel Macron, who said he was ready on Monday, the day after the first round of the presidential election. , to “move” on its divisive proposal for pension reform.

In the midst of a health crisis, the president did not want to relaunch this project, which had sparked a movement of social protest. But the candidate LREM, he has put this “mother of reforms” of macronie on his program, in the event of re-election.

From the first day of the campaign between the two rounds, the subject imposed itself. During his first trip to Hauts-de-France (north of France), to Denain and Carvin, two towns that voted first for Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Emmanuel Macron was questioned by residents worried about their retirement, leading him to open the door to some concessions.

Postpone retirement to 65? We decipher this proposal by Emmanuel Macron

The outgoing president thus said he was “ready to discuss the pace and limits” of such a reform, believing that it would not be done “overnight” and saying he was aware that “clarifications are necessary” . ABN1 returns to the advanced developments.

Retirement age “maybe” at 64 years old

While he wants to give pledges to the voters of the working classes, in particular those of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, whom he needs to win the election of April 24, Emmanuel Macron said he was ready to “consider the possibility” of a deferment of the retirement age to 64, rather than 65, during an interview given to BFMTV, early Monday evening, in a bar in Carvin.

“We cannot say on Sunday evening: ‘I want to gather’ and, when we go to listen to people, say: ‘I am not moving’. 65 years are not a dogma.”

Emmanuel Macron during a trip to Pas-de-Calais

Until now, the outgoing president’s retirement reform project was counting on a deadline of 2030 to gradually raise the age of retirement from 62 to 65 years old. Initially, the plan was to reduce this age by four months every year from 2023.

However, to reach a consensus, this deadline could end in 2027 and therefore be limited to a starting age of 64, explained Emmanuel Macron, against 65 in 2032 in his project unveiled there one month ago. Its competitor from the National Rally, Marine Le Pen, envisages it between 60 and 62 years old, depending on the age at which the person began to work.

A possible referendum

When asked about the possibility of having recourse to a citizen consultation on this reform, Emmanuel Macron replied that he “does not exclude the referendum, for any reform whatsoever. A proposal to which the electorate on the left, particularly (the electorate mélenchoniste), is quite sensitive”, estimated Pascal Perrineau, political scientist and professor emeritus of universities at Sciences Po, Tuesday on ABN1.

For his part, the Minister of the Economy, Bruno Le Maire, was less enthusiastic about the idea of a referendum. “It is better to make concession,” he said on CNews, Tuesday. Afterward, if there is no other solution, President Macron did not exclude it.”

A review clause in 2027

If re-elected, Emmanuel Macron does not rule out the idea of introducing a review clause to his pension reform project at the end of his five-year term.

“Perhaps if there are too many tensions, we should stop in 2027 and not preempt the rest [of the reform].”

Emmanuel Macron in Pas-de-Calais

It is up to his successor to manage this possible review of pension plans.

Nevertheless, Gérald Darmanin reminded us on Tuesday that “The bill has not been written” and “there will be a social, a parliamentary, and a political discussion.

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